tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post5199302443969544492..comments2024-02-09T14:11:55.826-08:00Comments on Whatever It Is, I’m Against It: I don’t welcome leaksWIIIAIhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17267949487358907637noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post-8935809694332371952013-06-07T17:13:57.909-07:002013-06-07T17:13:57.909-07:00Well, sometimes it gets the truth, sometimes not. ...Well, sometimes it gets the truth, sometimes not. I probably shouldn't have shoehorned that in, at least not in an abbreviated form like that. My point, when there were arguments about whether stress positions or waterboarding or whatever constituted torture, was that if they could be effective, that is if they could make people act against their strongest convictions, if the pressure they put on the human body was that strong, they must constitute torture. I brought it up here because the arguments downplaying torture/spying seemed analogous. In this case, if the metadata spying is effective, ie, if the information is useful in finding terrorists, then it must be a significant intrusion on privacy. In both cases, you can't say that torture/data-mining is insignificant and also say that it's effective, but that is the argument being made.WIIIAIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267949487358907637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post-42762949089798015182013-06-07T15:17:54.472-07:002013-06-07T15:17:54.472-07:00I don't think torture so much works as far as ...I don't think torture so much works as far as getting truthful confessions as getting people to confess what you want them to confess, which is to say, to confirm potential lies, or say anything regardless of its truth content.mahakalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08649042340743257076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post-57184310663316953522013-06-07T15:13:39.155-07:002013-06-07T15:13:39.155-07:00I meant to make something like your point
http://...I meant to make something like your point <br />http://lefti.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-congress-knew-defense.html<br />about democracy. If the three branches of government are all acting in concert to advance a position that was never presented to the voters, it's not representative democracy, it's just a rather large conspiracy.WIIIAIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267949487358907637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post-25177312894610208752013-06-07T15:06:04.889-07:002013-06-07T15:06:04.889-07:00Last comment should read PEOPLE AREN'T...Last comment should read PEOPLE AREN'T...Left I on the Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11249758951787667923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7518007.post-55401575715977146452013-06-07T15:05:30.792-07:002013-06-07T15:05:30.792-07:00"I don’t welcome leaks,"
And you know ho..."I don’t welcome leaks,"<br />And you know how we're going to find out who leaked, don't you? Metadata!<br /><br />"Raise them where, raise them how?"<br />In secret, of course. And, as I wrote in my blog, never worrying about having the issue raised by a challenger in an election, since those challengers wouldn't know a thing about it. You know, democracy.<br /><br />"judicial oversight."<br />I believe the judge's name is Magoo.<br /><br />" The last thing they’d be doing is taking programs like this to listen to somebody’s phone calls.”<br />Of course PEOPLE are listening to your phone calls. COMPUTERS are, listening for key words.<br /><br />Left I on the Newshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11249758951787667923noreply@blogger.com